This week, I had the privilege of sitting down with Dr. Richard Lemons, Executive Director of Partners for Educational Leadership, for a conversation that every system-level leader should spend time with.
Richard has spent decades helping leaders tackle the hardest work in education: changing systems without losing our humanity.
Here are three themes leaders should listen for:
1. You Can’t Talk People Into New Mental Models: Richard reminds us that deeply entrenched beliefs about schooling aren’t shifted by better arguments or smarter PowerPoints. They change through radically different experiences that disrupt assumptions and invite reflection.
2. Student Voice Cuts Through Ideology: When adults stop debating and truly listen to students, clarity emerges. Student voice has the power to quiet political noise and re-anchor leaders in purpose and moral urgency.
3. Imperfect Leadership Is the Only Way Forward: Richard reframes leadership growth as living in a space of being consciously imperfect (aware of what we don’t know and open to learning).
This episode is a gift for superintendents, central office leaders, and anyone trying to lead systemic change while staying grounded in values.
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Think differently. Think in systems. Reach out to The Waters Center for Systems Thinking to learn more about how systems thinking capacity building can strengthen your team and organization.
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An Imperfect Leader: Leadership in (After) Action is supported by ILAA, LLC, a firm dedicated to supporting aspiring, new, and established leaders. For more information, please find them at imperfectleader.com.
Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley.
Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.